This DOES need reading…all of it.

We know that a lot of people read what is written on here. We are pleased that after the winter break emails were received saying that now the blog is back we’ll know what is going on again! Today you’ll know what is going on in Holland and hopefully all Glen of Imaal Terrier people will fully appreciate what it actually is.

A few years ago the boot was put into pedigree dogs in the UK by a television programme called Pedigree Dogs Exposed. PDE was a glorious piece of uber sensationalism. It was truly masterful in the way it portrayed certain things and as there were some bits that couldn’t be denied the slick cutting, editing and sometimes poor standards of journalism where totally ignored, or not even realised, by a rather gullible, certainly naive in the way of dogs and animal rearing, general public. Even now the PDE effect, as it is known, is still being felt in this country with 15 breeds being singled out by the Kennel Club.

Such a piece of noticed television in one country was bound to attract attention by other “documentary makers” but as the months passed it appeared nothing had come to fruition but last December the Netherlands experienced their own PDE moment. Once again the Cavalier and Bulldogs were victims and once again extreme judicial editing was the order of the day. In January the Dutch Kennel Club made final their Breed Specific Instructions(BSI), this is how it begins:-

INTRODUCTION

The task of a show judge is to preserve the characteristics of each breed – within the approved breed standard. In other words, the judge’s main task is to judge and evaluate dogs, according to the breed standard and to consider them as potential breeding dogs for future generations. This must never be done at the expense of the welfare and wellbeing of the dog. It is therefore the responsibility of the judge to be acquainted with the breed standard as well as the health problems occurring in the breed. A judge must particularly pay attention to those specific breed characteristics, which have a tendency to exaggeration, so can creep into a breed and could have a negative effect on the health of the individual dog. It is important that tendencies to exaggerations are noted before they are allowed to give rise to unsoundness.

These instructions are a result of an inventory made possible through extensive collaboration between dog show judges, breed clubs, other dog clubs and veterinary surgeons. The views and facts contained in this document are also a result of available statistics on dogs’ health,carried out in the past for each individual breed. Scandinavian countries have taken the initiative. Netherlands has used this document as a base for describing its own concerns regarding the breeds which are regularly presented at dog shows in ourcountry. Thanks to the Scandinavian countries for their contribution in this. Dog Show judges from home and abroad, judging at our shows, being (inter)national shows,(Championship) club shows and all other activities, where judges are asked to qualify, are obliged to judge according to the breed standards as approved by the F.C.I. In addition we ask the judge for the preservation and the development of a breed, apart from the breed specific characteristics, to also take into account, to their best, the health and welfare aspects of the breed and to express this clearly in the written critique on the dog. These aspects are clearly stated in the Breed Specific Instructions

The BSI goes on to list 44 breeds that are to be monitored for a specific listed problem and forms, at the end of judging, must be filled in accordingly. And there in FCI Group 3 is listed the Irish Glen of Imaal Terrier.

Your thought can be heard; the Glen’s achrondraplasic so it was bound to be listed, why have I had to read this? The structure of the front of the breed is not why it is included. Neither is it included for having a different topline or possible eye problems. The Glen of Imaal Terriers is listed because of “Aggressiveness, inappropriate behavior towards other dogs” and note the comma-two different things are being referred to!

It has been queried at all levels as to why ONLY the Glen has been singled out in the Terriers, the only other mentioned for aggressiveness is Dachsunds, and there has been no reason given. The introduction to the document mentions help from the Scandinavians but they don’t seem to know of any problems but the breed now has a big one. Aggressiveness to humans must never, ever be tolerated but responsible breeders worldwide have always told prospective owners that a mature Glen will never back away from a problem; it was never intended to and still doesn’t turn down an insult. For a Glen that is appropriate behaviour but the Dutch Kennel Club BSI doesn’t mean that. At one stroke it has created a situation that means Dutch breeders must lie by omission if they ever want to sell a puppy again.

10 thoughts on “This DOES need reading…all of it.

  1. This just makes me so cross, they are terriers!!!! and behave like terriers. Ruby has been attacked three times whilst growing up by a collie, white Alsatian and a Jack Russell, she no longer tolerates any dog coming up to her with an attitude! And who can blame her. But will play nicely and have fun with a similar natured dog or puppy like herself. Such a shame, people who make these rules are ignorant.

  2. Absolutely ridiculous. These are dogs who think for themselves and don’t really need or want your help in most situations. I sometimes think that they just tolerate me and do what I ask with a roll of the eye. Nor are they really pack animals who can be happy with a crowd tracking the same rabbit.
    Another dog, of any breed, who presents with an attitude will definitely be met with the same attitude by mine, with the unheard message “when you’re ready” in their stance.
    I don’t consider that aggression or inappropriate behavior.
    It’s a Glen not a spaniel.
    Perhaps we make too much of forewarning new owners of the Glen’s inherited proclivities. Certainly I’ve never heard any warnings from the Kerry people, even after Mick. Nor from the American Staffie/Pit groups, speaking of why some aren’t on lists.
    Lora

  3. Aggression that is for us the owners to control 95% of the time if you look in the mirror you will find the problem Glens need strong assertive ownership. Lora i disagree with you completely on the point of my dogs just tolerating me not a chance. I am leader of the pack and my dogs know it and are tottally subordinate to me and if i have dogs that show aggression to mine on the lead or out in the field i dont have my dogs straining back i have control.
    I do consider dog aggression unacceptable myself and Jason Atkin have ran 4 Glens,2 russells,2 chesopeke(forgive the spelling) 4 spaniels and lurchers as a bobery pack with NO problems. That is because we train are dogs from day 1 i have worked terriers most of my life and a dog aggessive dog and its owner soon have no work and are not wanted by other terriermen and landowners.
    I have seen unacceptable behaviour in Glens in the show and pet ownership they just will not discipline thier dogs and that gives the breed a bad name . Thier are glens on the show circuit in the UK now thankfully very small in number who show dog aggression toward other dogs for no reason. That is wrong the dogs need discipline you can see some dogs know thier owners are wary of them so dominate.
    It doesnt matter what breed you own WE the owners are responsible to train are dogs to behave in an acceptable manner. As for the Netherlands comments on Glens let them show the facts the evidence to make these comments I would advise though against holding your breath.

    • Steve. You have run multi-dogs together and so have many other of us. We didn’t do this instantly, we introduced them together over time and if one didn’t fit in the mix the matter isn’t pushed-they either go out on their own or in a different pack. And don’t write on here that your dogs have always got on with all others because it wouldn’t be the truth. Exactly the same as it would be if I claimed the same. What is being laid down is just an illustration of how dogs are not understood anymore. It is fast becoming an expectation that any canine must be a bunny hugger

  4. Strange, the breedclub does not know annything about this.
    Last word is not spoken about this issue I think.

    Rene

  5. Liz they havent always got on and i didnt say that i said i suggest you again read what i said not what you think i said I control them and thier aggression that is a completely different matter.
    When i ran my dogs with Jason at Huttoft they the Glens and russells hadnt met his Chesopekes,lurchers or spaniels but they hunted together no problem that was down to discipline and both of us dominating are dogs ie pack leaders. If they step out of line they know about it i wont tolerate that from my dogs thiers no huggy bunny about that. I have no illusions about glens and i said before and will say it again they need strong assertive owners and a firm hand.
    What i have said about weak owners and poor discipline and dog aggression i stand by 100% they need to stand up to thier dogs and show them whos the boss.
    I again have read my 1st writing Liz and I did not say my dogs got on with all others i state ,Discipline,leadership and training check it yourself.

  6. On the matter concerning the Netherlands kennel club are they like the UKkc were decisions are made by committees who do not have to give reasons or information on thier decisions are they a private members club ?.

  7. Mr. Holmes:
    My comment regarding my dogs “tolerating” me was obviously intended to be tongue-in-cheek. My dogs know who demands control and respect that, but I sometimes think they do what I ask with strong questions as to why I have asked it.
    I’m not looking for fear of me in my dogs, respect for my position in the pack will do.
    I don’t consider a dog aggressive who merely responds to aggression by another dog. Glens do not belong on any Breed Specific list if their only “aggression” consists of a response to insult.

  8. Rene, on the 17th of May last year the Dutch Association for the Irish Glen of Imaal Terrier received an official email from the ‘Raad van Beheer’ (Dutch Kennel Club) regarding this issue.
    Attached was a draft of these breed specific instructions for the judges. This message was forwarded to all board members (incl. you Rene).
    The ‘Raad van Beheer’ invited the Dutch Association to discuss the draft of these breed specific notes on the 30th of June last year.
    So the Dutch Association was fully informed.

  9. As i do not know you Lora how could i know you were being tongue in cheek as ive heard that statement from some dog owners in the past and they were being deadly serious. My dogs trust me and respect me in any form of discipline thier is a degree of fear ie the cane at school or telling a child no or taking orders or instructions to do a job.
    If i ignore my orders at work im disciplined if i misbehaved at school im disciplined if my dogs feared me to such a dec-gree they would not trust me or work for me. I have worked with dogs for most of my life Glens,Russells and collies all highly intelligent and discipline is required.
    On the Netherlands KC list they should be made to disclose thier reasons and evidence which on what ive read be very thin . That is why all these KCs should democratic and accountable which they are not.

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