Leeds 2011

Leeds Championship Show begins today. Terrier day is Sunday and there are 9 Glen of Imaal Terriers entered for judge Roger Thomas. With a Challenge Certificate on offer it has to be acknowledged that this isn’t exactly a startling entry so why are numbers  hitting rock bottom? Leeds used to be one of the most popular shows on the circuit for Glen people. The summer picnic used to be held there and it was also the venue of the well reported synchronised exhibition team. Where has everybody gone?

13 thoughts on “Leeds 2011

  1. How low will entries have to fall before CCs are taken away from Glens???

    The KC has decreed that they won’t even consider Cesky Terriers for CCs until we can show an average entry of 30+ across all championship shows that offer classes over a three year period – and as that includes Belfast (no CT exhibitors in Ireland) and SKC (only one exhibitor in Scotland) that seems unlikely to happen in the forseeable future. Yet at virtually every single show there are more CT entered than Glens (22 at Leeds). The breed is fairly regularly short-listed and several CT have had championship show group placings.

    It’s no secret that Glens were only given CC status because of pressure from the Irish KC, but with a change of leadership at the top of our KC how long can that special relationship be maintained? Methinks you will have to buck your ideas up a bit or you will find yourself back with us as a non-CC breed – the KC have already done it to the Estrelas 😉

  2. Sheila

    We may have a “stay of execuation” because of our “vulnerable breed” status.

    “It has also been agreed that Vulnerable Breeds, which would be due to lose CCs because of lack of numbers, will not do so.”

    http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=831 – 4th January 2007

    I don’t know whether there have been any more KC directives since then, regarding CC status of vulnerable breeds …?

    • The vulnerable breed status is just a window dressing I have never understood. When the KC granted extra CCs to Glens because of “increased entries” a very polite request went in asking where they had got the figures from because catalogues etc didn’t match what they were indicating.

  3. At £25 a time, just can’t afford it anymore. When we had no CC’s and it was £10 a pop could do more shows. Now we only do a couple a year,what with fuel etc its not a game I can really afford anymore. It wouldn’t bother me a bit if we lost the CC’s, When I came into glens 15 years ago we had over 30 at each show and the numbers have just gone down and down since the cc’s came in.

  4. I agree with Nicki on cost its very expensive with fuel, time off work on top i have stated my own personal opinion on CCs before. I also belive people are being a lot more thoughtful about who they put thier dogs under and at £25 a shot who can blame them . If they do not want a judges opinion they simply arent coming out to support them “natural selection” no harm in that also it proves a point when Tim Harrison ,26 entries at the Goita open show . If they think a judges is judging the right end of the lead and or respect that person they will come out in numbers if not as they are showing they are not.
    Perhaps it needs this sort of indicator to show whos opinion is respected and whos is not and show secretaries may take note. On a good story plenty of interset in the Glens at Blenhiem today all positive bath and back to the showground for tucker and ale.

    • 26 at a breed club show isn’t a good entry. It only appears so because everywhere else is rather poor.

    • i think stephen has a valid point, when entries and fuel are so expensive, added to the cost for some is paying for someone to stay at home with other dogs. people will now only go to shows where they think the judging is fair and the person has at least some knowledge of the breed and not just another notch on their breeds belt. i for one have voted with my cheque book this year, but it is not only our breed that has shown a dramatic fall in numbers, it think a lot of ‘ordinary’ people are feeling the pinch. this is shown by a lot of the general ch shows leaving their ‘on line’ entry extended hoping for more entries. surprised the general ch shows have not gone along the line of breed clubs. in my other breed if you enter three or more dogs you just pay for three, any others are free. whilst i know gen ch shows have to make money, surely having more than three entries will bump up numbers and may encourage more people to bring more dogs! kathy

  5. when i first started we used to get 50 at a show, my first puppy class had at least 9 enties too. Lots of people who used to be in the breed have gone other ways over the years too.

  6. ” If they do not want a judges opinion they simply arent coming out to support them “natural selection” no harm in that also it proves a point when Tim Harrison ,26 entries at the Goita open show .”

    As already said, 26 entries for an open show is not a good entry. The first time I judged Glens at a championship show (obviously without CCs) I had an entry of 37. That was 11 years ago – the quality was superb and there were several dogs that could easily have won CCs had they been on offer then.

    ” If they think a judges is judging the right end of the lead and or respect that person they will come out in numbers if not as they are showing they are not.
    Perhaps it needs this sort of indicator to show whos opinion is respected and whos is not and show secretaries may take note. ”

    That’s very true – but when show secretaries appoint judges that are apparently respected they still don’t get an entry. For example: East of England 2010, the judge travelled from Scotland, was listed on the GOITA judging list as a person the breed club would support – yet there were just 4 entries. This year, the society dropped the classes.

    And Roger Thomas? He’s a respeted judge with no axe to grind, no favours to offer or repay, no politics to play. So the question is asked again? Is it just the cost of showing, which has to be a factor for many people? (It’s one reason why I’m certainly not sorry that the Cesky Terrier doesn’t have CCs!)

  7. I did E of E last year even though we had no cc’s as its always a nice localish show, even went all the way to Bath last year to support Karen when we had no cc’s there. Yet another breed specialist that got very little support.

    For me I just can’t afford it,I’ve gone from working full time earing a very good salary with a good excess income to working pt time earning £8k a year! Not hard to do the maths on that one! lol

    We’ve done Crufts, National Terrier and Bath and have booked WKC. The latter of them is costing about £50 in fuel, and that amount again in camping fees as its such a long journey we’ve had to make it part of a long weekend holiday so we actually get a break this year. That will probably be our last show of the year too.

    When we had no cc’s Mum and I were out nearly every weekend at open shows(sometimes two in a weekend!),had at least one champ show a month with two dogs as well.

    I certainly now couldn’t afford to show two dogs. I was never keen on us getting cc’s and I know it won’t make me popular but i wouldn’t be that bothered if they got taken away. Perhaps we might be a happier breed again without the cc battles.

    Leeds sadly was just too far for us this time. Rich had a planned trip with work up to the isle of lewis, so i couldn;t expect himto then drive all that way. The summer picnic was good fun, we used to have lots of do’s like that at shows and always had lots of other breeds coming to have free food! 🙂

  8. Nicki you are spot on cost is a very important factor it is too much for the average person and needs looking at soon just look at the entries for some other breeds they are worse.On the the numbers being shown ladies we need to look at the numbers bred in the UK at present and then look at the percentage of people who want them to show .That alone alone tells some of the story and then people have left the breed and yet again cost and a number of people i have met have been put off showing by some peoples attitude toward them by others.
    At the end of the day thier is alot more to owning a glen than showing again peoples decisions and if you look at Tims entry and compare to many champ shows hes beaten them hands down on entries . Anyway back of to Blenheim for a good laugh and good company.

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