Let’s start the week…..

….with something aimed for opinions!

The EFG is still waiting for word from the Kennel Club regarding official recognition but we aren’t just sitting doing nothing. One of the things up for consideration is updating the Code of Ethics. It’s a decent code but nothing really startling and the current climate requires more so how far should we go? As it says we shall already be asking about DNA testing to be included-one of the things up for debate-but what else? Some countries check for anything and everything, the Finns put it all online, but others do nothing at all on an official basis.

It has always been a proud boast that the EFG is for the Glen of Imaal Terrier in its entirety so thoughts are invited? It would be nice if opinions (keep it clean please) could be placed on here but even if you are shy about publicly expressing do send Jean your thoughts-they will be taken.

13 thoughts on “Let’s start the week…..

  1. It would be a great achievement to be” awarded” on this index……
    But…..with already a 2013 PRA ‘carrier’ frequentie of 75% on the first born & announced litter combinations. A bad start for this years glen generation…and generations to come.

    • Woodie

      The Karlton Index scoring is only applied to KC registered breed clubs, so the new scoring, due to be published on 31st March, will only apply to the Glen of Imaal Terrier Association.

      The awards nominations are not due until later in the year … again, I think they apply to the work of KC registered breed clubs, but there are a couple of awards that have a wider inclusion:

      7. Innovation in breed health. Awarded in recognition of an innovative approach to either health issues in general, a single health condition or relating to a wider health strategy. Nominations are sought relating to any good and novel idea that on implementation lead to raised awareness of, or increased participation with a health scheme or issue in any breed.

      8. Individual commitment to and achievement in breed health. Awarded in recognition of the individual who in the eyes of the judging panel made a significant and lasting impact on the health agenda of their breed or breed health in general. Nominations are sought from any breed club in relation to an individual who has championed breed health at breed club level to an outstanding degree.

    • Woodie

      “But…..with already a 2013 PRA ‘carrier’ frequentie of 75% on the first born & announced litter combinations. A bad start for this years glen generation…and generations to come.”

      Just out of interest … where do your figures come from?

      Why a “bad start” …? Clear x Carrier matings will not produce puppies that are at risk of developing GPRA-crd3. It is going to take a good few years to eradicate crd3 from our gene pool ……

      Of the 22 litters (129 pups) born in the UK since DNA testing:

      8 litters (47 pups) are Hereditary Clear
      10 litters (57 pups) are from Clear x Carrier matings
      1 litter (6 pups) have one Clear parent and one unknown status parent … (pups are not at risk)
      3 litters (19 pups) from unknown status parents

      86% of the 22 litters are from SAFE matings
      85% of the 129 pups are not at risk of developing crd3

      What IS bad is that there are people who are producing litters of Glen pups from parents that have NOT been DNA tested for crd3. 😦

      • P.S. Some pups from 4 of the 10 Clear x Carrier litters have been DNA tested … the BRS has published the results of 15 of the 57 pups … 10 Clear and 5 Carrier status.

  2. As that code of ethics is a Kennel Club offering it may make sense to leave it be for now.
    DNA testing would currently fall under point six but could possibly be expanded upon later.

  3. These are the additional clauses in GOITA’s Code of Ethics


    15) All parents must be DNA tested unless heriditary clear of gPRA/crd3 (this DNA test is evidence only for the presence of gPRA/crd3). Owners of carrier/affected Glen of Imaal Terriers should agree to mate their dogs/bitches with heridtary clear or DNA tested clear dogs/bitches only. Owners of brood bitches should be encouraged to endorse all puppies not to be bred from until DNA tested for gPRA/crd3. This endorsement must be explained clearly to all prospective owners. It is recommended that all dogs should still be eye-tested periodically as a safeguard against further eye conditions. The above guide lines are in line with The Glen of Imaal Terrier Association Recommended Breeding Policy.

    16) Puppies of a non standard colour i.e. ”Liver-defined as having brown noses and brown eye rims” Must be endorsed “not to be bred from” when registered with the Kennel Club. This restriction to be lifted only under exceptional circumstances, in agreement to be reached between the breed club and the breeder

    17) Members will, when breeding dogs, adopt as a minimum standard the principles, requirements and recommendations as embodied in the Kennel Club`s Assured Breeders Scheme. It is strongly recommended that members who breed should apply to join the scheme.

    18) Any bitch that has not had a first litter before reaching the age of 6 years should not be mated. And if that litter would be due after the bitch reaches the age of 6 , she should equally not be mated.

  4. This clause has to be incorporated into the C of E of all breed clubs:

    “Breach of these provisions may result in expulsion from club membership, and/or disciplinary action by the Kennel Club and/or reporting to the relevant authorities for legal action, as appropriate.”

    GOITA’s clause 17 reads, “17) Members will, when breeding dogs, adopt as a minimum standard the principles, requirements and recommendations as embodied in the Kennel Club`s Assured Breeders Scheme. It is strongly recommended that members who breed should apply to join the scheme.”

    Not “Members should …” but “Members WILL … adopt as a MINIMUM standard … ”

    What about the ABS Recommendation for ANNUAL EYE TESTING …???

    This blog entry looks at the number of Glens being eye tested:


    Since the DNA test for GPRA-crd3, only three (first time) breeders have had their bitches eye tested within the 12 months prior to whelping … and only one bitch has been tested post whelping.

    If we are going to have this clause, surely committee members and officers should be leading by example and having their breeding stock eye tested annually …?

    • I am surprised that the wording of GOITA’s Clause 17 was approved by the KC …

      From the KC’s “FAQs – New Code of Ethics” page – http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/2124

      “8. Why was there no mention of testing for inherited diseases in the new Code?

      The Code is still to be considered a ‘Guide to Best Practice’, and health testing is not enforceable under KC Rules and Regulations, unless the breeder is a member of the Accredited Breeder Scheme. Whilst the Kennel Club continually promotes health testing in all breeds, not all breeds suffer from inherited diseases where the Kennel Club has a health scheme in place. This position may change in time however, as health testing becomes the norm for all.


      I would have thought that the KC would prefer less “dictatorial” wording, e.g.

      17) GOITA members who breed are encouraged to adopt the principles, requirements and recommendations of the Kennel Club`s Assured Breeders Scheme (ABS) and to become members of the ABS.

      • http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=3007

        Swedish Vallhund Society Shows Commitment to Health

        The Swedish Vallhund Society has shown its commitment to the health and welfare of the breed by asking its members to abide by certain recommendations which include joining the Kennel Club Accredited Breeder Scheme.

        The breed club has become the first to officially enshrine the recommendation to join the Kennel Club Accredited Breeder Scheme into its Code of Ethics. It also approved a range of other recommendations at its 2009 Annual General Meeting, which include asking that dogs and bitches used for breeding are:

        ~ Believed to be clear from hereditary defects
        ~ X-rayed & scored under the BVA/KC HD scheme and do not have a total score of more than 20
        ~ Eye tested and obtain any certificates required at the time under the Kennel Club schemes.

        Chris Millard, Chairman of the Swedish Vallhund Society, said:

        “The Committee of the Swedish Vallhund Society is delighted that the members and the Kennel Club have taken such a pro active stance to ensure the health and welfare of this ancient breed continues for future generations to come.

        “This is a very positive step and members have recognised that these are not draconian measures introduced to control the membership but a way of ensuring the breed maintains its current healthy status.”

        Here are the additional clauses to the Code of Ethics:

        15. As a member of the Swedish Vallhund Society before breeding from my dog/bitch I will agree to join the Kennel Club’s Assured Breeder Scheme and abide by their rules and guidelines.

        16. I will only breed from those dogs and bitches believed to be clear from known hereditary defects and which are mentally stable and fit for purpose.

        17. A dog/bitch used for breeding shall have been hip x rayed and scored under the BVA/KCHD scheme and shall not have a total score of more than 20, differential hip scores shall be as even as possible, save in extraordinary circumstances to be agreed with the Swedish Vallhund Society breed health committee.

        18. Bitches and dogs used for breeding shall have been eye tested and obtain any certificates required at the time by the Kennel Club schemes.

        19. All breeding dogs and bitches to have swabs sent to the Animal Health Trust for the future genetic testing into any health problems that may/could arise.

        20. As the owner of a bitch: I will only breed from healthy, mature bitches and conscientiously plan each litter. Save in extraordinary circumstances and under veterinary advice, bitches shall not be mated prior to 2 year of age and not bred from after their 8th birthday (unless a veterinarian has given a recommendation for the mating and the Kennel Club has given in writing their permission). A bitch may also not be bred from more than once in any 12 month period.

        21 (a) As the owner of the stud dog: I will only use healthy mature males which are over the age of 12 months and are scored as stated in the breeding proposal 2,3,4,5. I will refuse any stud to any bitch which may not have reached her 24 month, which has passed her 8th birthday (unless as stated in 6 above), which I consider to be in poor health or does not have the necessary health certificates.

        21 (b) I will satisfy myself as to the suitability of the bitch for breeding and will only advocate the use of my stud dog if I feel the owners of the bitch have the facilities, time and resources to adequately care for a litter.

        22. I will keep accurate records of mating’s, dates, litter sales and registrations.

        23. I agree to fill in and send a record of my litters and details of health tests to the Swedish Vallhund Society breed survey sub committee within 3 months of a litters’ birth for future records to be kept. I also understand this will only be used to conduct Kennel Club and Society surveys from time to time for the betterment of the breed.

        24. When advertising or selling stock I will be extremely cautious to describe my stock accurately, especially with regard to potential prospects of young stock in order to try to avoid implying a guarantee of show success.

        Another “Members WILL …” rather than “Members are encouraged to …”

        I wonder if ALL members who have bred a litter have complied with this Code of Ethics, since it was approved? If not, have members been expelled from the club …?

      • http://www.swedishvallhunds.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=400594

        On the “Homepage” … underneath the KC’s ABS logo … is the following statement:

        “All Swedish Vallhund Society Members Who Are Breeders & Stud Dog Owners Support This Scheme”

        There are 14 listed committee and officers … just 2 names are on the list of 13 ABS members … 6 have joined since the Code of Ethics was approved in 2009.

        Is this a case of the 2009 AGM voting “Do as I say … but I won’t …” … ??? 😉

  5. Dirk in the UK we ALL do in my opinion a good job we are on the whole self-policing health very well being ahead of the KC. On eye testing ours are DNA tested clear as for the LAUGHABLE assured breeders scheme NO thank you. I suggest the KC start looking in a mirror and putting dogs before money but as they are a tottally undemocratic private members club do not hold your breath. Where by the way do your figures come from ! which countries?

    • Dirk put his reply in the wrong post-I’ve moved it to here.

      The Finnish Kennel Club is a pioneer in open dog breeding data.
      Breeding database now available in English and Swedish
      Espoo, 21 November 2012 – English- and Swedish-language versions of the Finnish Kennel Club dog breeding database have now been launched. The Finnish Kennel Club system is a pioneer in its field. Finns examine and analyse their dogs thoroughly, and the publication of the information thus gathered serves both dog breeders and people looking to buy a new dog. Registration is not required to access the service and information on registered dogs can be browsed freely.
      The Finnish Kennel Club system is an open information depository, which allows users to examine pedigree charts as well as dog health statistics, inbreeding coefficients, trial and show results as well as up-to-date statistics on the amount of registered dogs and dog import numbers. The system displays information like dog registration dates and shows a dog’s owner and breeder if these parties have granted their permission for revealing this data.

      The breeding database also allows users to look up dogs using the ID marking as a search parameter. This is helpful in cases involving lost dogs, especially if the owner has permitted his or her name to be displayed in the dog’s ownership details.

      A dog’s information sheet can display a notification of its death if the owner has updated this information via the Finnish Kennel Club member service Omakoira. This provides data on the longevity of different breeds.

      – Changes logged via the Omakoira service or by the Finnish Kennel Club are updated into the system immediately. This applies to, among other things, registrations, ownership changes, Champion and other titles as well as health examinations, says Jaana Haarni, who is in charge of the KoiraNet project.

      Further information:
      KoiraNet project manager Jaana Haarni, Finnish Kennel Club, +358 9 8873 0268

      The Finnish Kennel Club breeding database is an open system, which grants access to a comprehensive set of information. It contains details on more than a million dogs. Click this link to access the breeding database.

  6. And to be fair to the KC, MyKC is a huge step forward in opening up KC database. Pedigrees, health records (only some so far), number of dogs registered by a breeder – now that CAN be an eye opener! Lots of information readily available.

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