A reverse topline????

10 Jul

Yesterday’s link to the grooming article by Gay Dunlap caused a bit of head scratching in some quarters; a Glen of Imaal reverse topline??? When queried this reply was kindly sent with full permission to place onto here:-

“A reverse topline is one that slowly rises from withers to base of tail.  As you, I am certain know, the standard states that toplines are: Straight, slightly rising to a very strong well-muscled loin with no drop-off at the croup. This is unusual for most breeds. The only other breed to my knowledge, calling for such is the Havanese, where the standard states:  The straight topline rises slightly from the withers to the croup. It is interesting that the FCI Standard for the breed (the standard used in Ireland) simply states that the topline is “level,” where the AKC standard is more specific. I have photos of Glens with dead level toplines where their stifles are more bent than those with the slightly rising toplines. The lack of rear angulation is obviously responsible for the rise in topline. I hope this answers your question. If not, I am happy to take the discussion further.”


Posted by on July 10, 2014 in General dog things, General Glen Things


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7 responses to “A reverse topline????

  1. tipperaryfarm

    July 10, 2014 at 3:11 am

    I agree that some variation in the degree of rise in toplines is related to the bend of stifles (or lack thereof) but the front assembly also comes into play. Dogs with very short forearms or a lot of bowing in the front legs will also show more rise. The AKC standard calls for “Good bend of stifle…”. The rise to the loin should be slight but perceptible. I personally wouldn’t throw out the better rear angulation we are seeing of late (and the better movement it creates) to bring back a steeper rise.

    • Gay Dunlap

      July 10, 2014 at 4:09 pm

      In retrospect, I probably should not have made the “blanket statement” about lack of rear angulation being responsible for the rise in topline. This most certainly is not always the case. A proper front assembly, especially on an achondroplastic breed, should be the causative factor. At the same time, straight stifles rather than a correct front assembly are often very much the cause. But it can also be the result of the rear angles being tilted, sometimes combined with sickle hocks, in such a manner that the dog stands under himself.

      Gay Dunlap

  2. Nick White

    July 10, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    Interesting points.

    Re: Comments on coat

    “except to say that I have noticed a tendency for them to look over-tidied,”

    That is a comment we hear from many Judges, especially European Judges . It is also a subject of discussion in the IKC at the moment.

    We still stand over our Breed Standard section on coat, ” Medium Length, of harsh texture with soft undercoat”
    Our Glen’s were always seen with an abundant rough coat which we encouraged the owners to tidy.
    We still expect the coat to be of medium lenght.


    The topline has to be included in the overall look of the dog, if front and rear construction is correct and if the body is deep with a strong loin then the topline should neither be roached or dipped,

    The rise to the rear should be minimal. hence our standard: Level.

    It was never intended to accept or prioritize a rising topline (to the rear) at the expense of correct rear angulation or front construction.


  3. glenn

    July 10, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    A rise to the loin of 1 to 1 1/2″ with a good drop to base of tail so the Glen could rest during extraction.

    • Nick White

      July 11, 2014 at 9:09 am

      Perhaps a view of some, never actually seen it officially. Do you have any more details.

    • E-F-G

      July 11, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      I’ve heard sort of the same thing Glenn but NOT with a good drop to the base of the tail. I was told that was why there had to be quite a bit of the Glen behind the tail so to speak


  4. glenn

    July 11, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    When i say a good drop, a drop thats good enough to create a ” Goose rump” which was used as a wedge against the roof of the shore so as the Glen could rest. Surprised you havent seen it. I have.

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