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A well known international judge recently commented that all Glen of Imaal Terrier people should get together and decide what they want the breed to be. The comment arose due to a question as to the (noticeable)difference in type placed at two shows officiated at. The question as to whether proportions should be in all standards was just met with a smile.

Below are the two standards of the countries concerned. It has often been discussed on here that the EKC one needs elaboration but except for the “ratio” are they really as different as the judge indicated?

The EKC standard reads:General Appearance: Medium-sized with medium-length coat, great strength with impression of maximum substance for the size of dog. Body longer than high.

Characteristics: Active, agile and silent when working. Native of County Wicklow and named after the Glen of Imaal.

Temperament: Game and spirited with great courage when called upon, otherwise gentle and docile.

Head and Skull: Of good width and fair length with powerful foreface. Muzzle to taper towards nose. Well defined stop. Nose black.

Eyes: Brown, medium size, round and set well apart. Light eyes undesirable.

Ears: Small, rose or half pricked when alert, thrown back when in repose. Full drop or prick undesirable.

Mouth:Jaws strong, with a perfect, regular and complete scissor bite, i.e. upper teeth closely overlapping lower teeth and set square to the jaws. Teeth of good size.

Neck:Very muscular and of moderate length.

Forequarters: Shoulders broad, muscular and well laid back. Forelegs short, well boned and slightly bowed.

Body:Deep and of medium length, slightly longer than height at withers. Well sprung ribs with neither flat nor barrel appearance. Chest wide and strong. Topline slightly rising to a strong loin.

Hindquarters:Strong, well muscled, with good thighs and good bend of stifle. Hocks turned neither in nor out.

Feet:Compact and strong with rounded pads. Front feet to turn out slightly from pastern.

Tail Docking previously optional.Docked: Strong at root. Well set on and carried gaily.Undocked: Strong at root. Well set on and carried gaily. In overall balance with rest of the dog.

Gait/Movement: Free in action. Covers the ground effortlessly with good drive behind.

Coat Medium length, of harsh texture with soft undercoat. Coat may be tidied to present a neat outline.

Colour:Blue, brindle and wheaten (all shades).

Size; 35-36 cms (14 ins) at the shoulder is maximum height for dogs and bitches.

Faults: Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog and on the dog’s ability to perform its traditional work.

Note:Male animals should have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum.

The AKC standard reads:

General Appearance The Glen of Imaal Terrier, named for the region in the Wicklow Mountains of Ireland  where it was developed long ago, is a medium sized working terrier. Longer than  tall and sporting a double coat of medium length, the Glen possesses great strength  and should always convey the impression of maximum substance for size of dog.  Unrefined to this day, the breed still possesses “antique” features once common  to many early terrier types; its distinctive head with rose or half-prick ears,  its bowed forequarters with turned out feet, its unique outline and topline are  hallmarks of the breed and essential to the breed type.

Size, Proportion Substance Height – The maximum height is 14 inches with a minimum       of 12½ inches, measured at the highest point of the shoulder blades.       Weight – Weight is approximately 35 pounds, bitches somewhat       less; however, no Glen in good condition and otherwise well-balanced shall       be penalized for being slightly outside the suggested weight. Length– The length of body, measured from sternum to buttocks, and height measured       from the highest point of the shoulder blades to ground, to be in a ratio       of approximately 5 (length) to 3 (height). The overall balance is more important       than any single specification.

Head Head – The head must be powerful and strong with no suggestion       of coarseness. Impressive in size yet in balance with, and in proportion       to, the overall size and symmetry of the dog.Eyes –       Brown, medium size, round and set well apart. Light eyes should be penalized.       Ears – Small, rose or half pricked when alert, thrown back       when in repose. Set wide apart and well back on the top outer edge of the       skull. Full drop or prick ears undesirable. Skull – Broad       and slightly domed; tapering slightly towards the brow. Of fair length,       distance from stop to occiput being approximately equal to distance between       ears. Muzzle – Foreface of power, strong and well filled       below the eyes, tapering toward the nose. Ratio of length of muzzle to length       of skull is approximately three (muzzle) to five (skull.) Bottlehead or       narrow foreface undesirable. Stop – Pronounced. Nose– Black. Teeth – Set in a strong jaw, sound, regular, and       of good size. Full dentition. Scissors bite preferred; level mouth accepted.

Neck, Topline and Body Neck – Very muscular and of moderate length. Topline– Straight, slightly rising to a very strong well-muscled loin with no drop-off       at the croup.Body – Deep, long and fully muscled.       Longer than high with the ideal ratio of body length to shoulder height       approximately five (length) to three (height). Chest – Wide,       strong and deep, extending below the elbows. Ribs – Well       sprung with neither a flat nor a barrel appearance. Loin– Strong and well muscled. Tail – Docked to approximately       half-length, in balance with the overall dog and long enough to allow a       good handhold. Strong at root, well set on and carried gaily. Dogs with       undocked tails not to be penalized.

Forequarters Shoulder – Well laid back, broad and muscular. Forelegs       – Short, bowed and well boned. Forearm should curve slightly       around the chest. Upper arm (humerus) nearly equal in length to the shoulder       blades (scapula). Feet to turn out slightly but perceptibly from pasterns.       Feet – Compact and strong with rounded pads.

Hindquarters       Strong and well muscled, with ample bone and in balance with forequarters.       Good bend of stifle and a well-defined second thigh. Hocks turn neither       in nor out, are short, well let down and perpendicular from hock to ground.       Feet – As front, except they should point forward.

Coat Medium length, of harsh texture with a soft undercoat. The coat may be tidied  to present a neat outline characteristic of a rough-and-ready working terrier.  Over trimming of dogs is undesirable.

Color Wheaten, blue or brindle. Wheaten includes all shades from cream to red wheaten.  Blue may range from silver to deepest slate, but not black. Brindle may be any  shades but is most commonly seen as blue brindle, a mixture of dark blue, light  blue, and tan hairs in any combination or proportion.

Gait The action should be free and even, covering the ground effortlessly with good  reach in front and good drive behind. This is a working terrier, which must have  the agility, freedom of movement and endurance to do the work for which it was  developed.

Temperament Game and spirited with great courage when called upon, otherwise gentle and docile.  Although generally less easily excited than other terriers, the Glen is always  ready to give chase. When working they are active, agile, silent and dead game.

Faults Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness  with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree.

And another question for consideration…

Should the Irish Glen Of Imaal Terrier as outlined in the IKC breed standard , the breed standard of the country of origin, be the one followed by all? With particular reference to the weight and height as currently indicated

SIZE (Height & Weight)

Height at the withers: Dogs 14 inches (35,5 cm) is the maximum. Bitches: accordingly less.

Weight: Dogs: 35 lbs (16 kg).  Bitches: accordingly less.

The above question has been running for a while on a social networking site and we were asked if it would be appearing on here so thank you to the original questioner for allowing it to be used here. For interest (and by request) the following photographs are posted

Getting even more worth reading!

The “difficult and awkward” days always causes lots of reading and comments; today’s will  possibly be no different. A long time ago now the question of the relevance of the Glen of Imaal Terrier breed standard to the actual dog came up & some in the worldwide community were not polite about the perceived slight to Glens by non Irish owners.

The following comes from the Irish Sporting Glen Club-the Comment is from one of their most respected members & breeders.

General Appearance  :  Medium  sized with  medium  length coat,  great strength with the impression  of maximum substance for the size of the dog

COMMENT: Good description.

Important Proportion : Body longer than high and low to the ground.

COMMENT: OK as outline statement, otherwise use less. Why not give proportions as in previous standards?

Behaviour/Temerament : Active, agile and silent when working.  Game and spirited with great courage when called upon, otherwise gentle and docile, who oozes personality; his loyal and affectionate nature makes him a very acceptable house dog and companion.  The Irish Glen of Imaal is said to be less easily excited than other terriers, though he is always ready to give chase when called on.

COMMENT: True, but of little or no use to a judge when the Glen is being exhibited.

HEAD

CRANIAL REGION :

Skull : Of good width and of fair length.     COMMENT: How wide is good/how long is fair?

Stop : Pronounced.             COMMENT: Well described

FACIAL REGION :

Nose : Black.

Muzzle : Foreface of power, tapering to the nose.

Jaws : Strong.

COMMENT: Very good description but some dimensions would greatly assist judges.

Teeth : Teeth sound, regular, strong and of good size. Scissor bite.

COMMENT: Is level mouth acceptable or not?

Eyes : Brown, medium size, round and set well apart.  Light eyes should be penalised

COMMENT: Well described, but in the case of “missing eye” should this mean disqualification or not?

Ears : Small rose or half pricked when alert, thrown back when in repose.  Full drop or prick undesirable.

COMMENT: Do you disqualify full drop & prick or not?

Neck : Very muscular and of moderate length.

COMMENT: How long is moderate?

Body : Deep and long, and longer than high.

COMMENT: Accurate outline statement, but does not fully state the height/length ratio as per previous standards.

Topline : Level.

COMMENT: I do not agree with this statement. Height at withers usually 1-1.5 ins lower than height at loin. High point at loin was for wedging dog against roof of sett when extracting prey. “Straight” would be more appropriate word, neither roached nor hollow. However modern Glens are virtually level at top line-due to lack of use modern Glens are no longer worked. Does this mean that the dog that is high at loin is not up to standard? “Rising slightly” would be more appropriate.

Loin : Strong.

Chest : Wide and strong, ribs well sprung.

Tail : Docked.  Strong at root, well set on and carried gaily.  Pups tails docked to half length.  A natural tail (undocked) is allowed for in countries where docking is banned by law.

LIMBS

FOREQUARTERS :

Shoulders : Broad, muscular and well laid back.  COMMENT: Excellent description

Forelegs : Short, bowed and well boned.

Feet : Compact and strong with rounded pads.  Front feet to turn out slightly from pasterns.

COMMENT: Both OK

Hindquarters : Strong and well muscled.

Thighs : Well muscled.

Stifle :  Well bent.

Hocks : Turned neither in nor out.

Feet : Compact and strong with rounded pads.

COMMENT: All OK

Gait/Movement : Free, not hackneyed. Covers ground effortlessly with good drive behind.

Coat/Hair : Medium length, of harsh texture with soft undercoat.  Coat may  be tidied to present a neat outline.

COMMENT: Both OK

Colour : Blue brindle but not toning to black. Wheaten, from  a  light wheaten  colour to  a golden  reddish shade. Puppies may be born coloured Blue, Wheaten, or Reddish.  Lighter coloured pups usually have an inky blue mask, and there may also be a streak of Blue down the back, on the tail, and on the ears.  The darker markings will clear with maturity.

COMMENT: Very good description

SIZE AND WEIGHT :

Height at the withers : Dogs : 14 inches (35,5 cm) is the maximum  Bitches : accordingly less.

Weight :  Dogs : 35 lbs (16kg).  Bitches : accordingly less.

COMMENT: Good & accurate description regarding height of dog. Bad in the case of bitches, what is accordingly? How can a judge decide? Very ambiguous description for bitches. No minimum height as stated in previous standards.

Faults : Any departure  from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and  the seriousness with which  the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog.

  • Hound ears.
  • Undershot bite, overshot bite.
  • Too short in body.
  • Straight front.

COMMENT: Acceptable faults description but why are only the above mentioned? What about too long in body?

Eliminating faults :

Aggresive or overly shy. Black & Tan colour. Narrow foreface.

COMMENT: Why is black & tan here? Many “old time” Glens were this colour and what about “dudley”(liver)?